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Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! 31dot (talk) 03:51, February 14, 2018 (UTC)


The screenshot shows a channel logo. Breaks the wiki's coyright infringement rules. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 05:00, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I've informed the user who posted the photo to find a new one. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! Season Fourteen (talk) 09:12, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
Sure thing. Somebody had to say it. It's the rules. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 05:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)


Is there a way to edit or change notes written after editing a page that are showed in the history section? I am referring to the "describe what you have changed" notes. The preceding unsigned comment was added by ThomasBisaschi (talk • contribs).

Not that I know of. Season Fourteen (talk) 09:01, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Georgia Tann

Please remove her name from Careless and Institutional Fail. The episodes are negligence, not trafficking, I was wrong. I'm hoping to work through a better system in the future, incorporating Spongebob's page more where we can make it work if we're still agreeing.

(P.S. I was wondering when you'd make a third archive. My apologies for rushing that if I did, I was trying to be careful with notes.)ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 13:45, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Done. Season Fourteen (talk) 21:25, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Four more mistakes I'd like to correct: mine is The Laurie Show case, which doesn't belong in Remorse. Her murder does belong in Consent, with a similar conspiracy between friends, and instead, The Maggie de la Riva rape case belongs in Remorse. I was thinking Traumatic Wound at first, but I saw notable difference, yet it is uncanny to the Swimming With The Sharks conspiracy against Luna Prasada. Since we're mentioning Kelly D'Leah, either Jeanne Gallagher is based on Katie Koestner with her or instead of her, now that I realized the correlations to Laurie Show.
Another one of mine I should mention is for Dependent (SVU), the killing of Michael Stewart fits the police chase and beating, though I still believe the killing Otto Zehm fits the release of the video, so the rip works for both.
One that's not mine is The Earl Bradley case in Chasing Demons, which instead belongs under Decaying Morality. The somnophilia reference doesn't guarantee Bill Cosby, maybe Cosby still fits, but Bradley fits as a pedophilic doctor, especially abusing the child of a sister and preferring girls. Since Jiya Alexander was also involved, and since I don't know a complicit nurse like Miriam Gregg in Helpless as a rip for either episode, I see the Paul Barnerdo/Karla Homolka case, for the conspired rape of a relative while under drugs and having raped other girls. John Schneeberger I agree still fits with original denial of Jenna Davis' rape down to the family rushing to get her to a psychologist so they make her recant. Since I'm mentioning Jenna, she needs a new image without a logo. I believe Neil Alexander also had one, if I'm right, but I may be misremembering, at least that the image may have already been changed. As for Chasing Demons and the similar Lead, I have as a better fit: The Melvin Levine case at least for Lead, and if not working for Chasing Demons, then I have several there: the Myles Bradbury case and less likely The George Reardon case and The Eugênio Chipkevitch case.
Last, Hank Abraham doesn't fit Operation Delego as much as Project Spade being a law and justice official.
The reason why I'm reporting them to you instead of placing them on Spongebob's page is because they're corrections and rips I'm more certain about, which I figure you'd prefer to be picked up after immediately. You be the judge. I meant to just keep it at two, but it turned into four when I was fact checking. I'll be getting back to Spongebob's page where we're discussing other resources. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 15:57, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
In continuation, I should add three more notices: I know it breaks the once-a-season rule with rips, but although I know Christina Long is in Quickie, but she should also, not instead, but also, be under Users at least unless another case is found and better fits A.J. Dunne, or Anna McMannus and A.J.'s the real inspiration for Christina. I'm betting both of them fit even in spite of a nagging feeling, so let's just make that temporary. Why not, Penn State fits both Lessons Learned and Monster's Legacy. And I didn't agree with Richard Farley for Stalker or Criminal Law. Farley, however, does fit as one of several inspriations for Jason Mayberry in Pique. The last one, Russell Williams isn't even close to Forgiving Rollins and needs to be removed. I hope you can at least reply back to me, but please, take your time and let's just take this in steps. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 13:56, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
Please review the content above and add all that fits, or unlock the headlines rip page so I can do it personally and leave the resources with the information fitting. One more notice: the hospital rape, rad the summary of Gothika and guess which part of the movie I'm equating the opening scene too. I saw the movie myself, that definitely fits, I know no better scene than that one in common details. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 23:10, 8 January 2022 (UTC)

RFTH submissions

Happy New Year! Hope you had a great Christmas. Got a new RFTH submission here which I've commented on too. Would you mind giving it a look over if possible please? :) --Spongebob456 talk 09:59, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Hiya, just checking this message went through. If you're able to comment on those that'd be great. I know CH has started using the system linked above :) --Spongebob456 talk 17:31, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
Been kind of busy right now. Will try to get to it if I can. Season Fourteen (talk) 08:55, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Haley Kerns and Avery Hemmings

Please refer to the images with logos in them of both characters I categorized as candidates for deletion. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 21:01, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

I've let Ryanfellowsfitts23 know. Season Fourteen (talk) 23:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Hoping it's not too much of a problem. My bad for jumping to making the pictures candidates for deletion, I didn't know about your other procedure in mind. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 00:09, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Just so you know, you're able to replace photos in the same file as opposed to deleting them and then uploading new ones. Season Fourteen (talk) 01:21, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I knew that. But I haven't reviewed all your gallery policies, and not all image names are necessarily compatible with the pages for identification. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 01:57, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Silent Night, Hateful Night

I knew it was a major comparison attempt that would need scrutiny, but I should clarify the parallels I was seeing. I won't insist they're exactly the same, but at the capitol attack, there were pipe bombs, social media communications, and suspects, rioters, and instigators were flooding their messages and posts with video rants, especially ones accused of the worst crimes or got the most publicity. There were arguments of conspiracies preceding the breach and riots that planned it from the start, there was racism, there was political warfare. One thing I find coincidence is the episode was set on Christmas Eve, and the capitol storming was preceding Biden's certification as president, the eve of the inauguration. That's the biggest stretch, I admit. Now, your rip seems more accurate, I'd have to see the details of where you got your edits from, but are there a few aspects that can be compared to the day of the mob assault. And yes, I do find it hard believe Wolf Entertainment wouldn't mix some adaptation into an episode's plotline. Your wording fits much better from what I can see directly pertaining to the episode. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 04:55, 12 January 2022 (UTC)


Since Elizabeth Donnelly is based on Leslie Crocker Snyder and particularly in the NYMag interview in the above episode, can we more specifically add information to which article it was and what year? It appears to me it's the one titled "The Upstart", which was written in 2005. Should we also make a page for Snyder, since she's both a legal official, an inspiration for a fiction character, and especially a Law & Order franchise consultant? That last criteria technically makes her a crew member. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 23:46, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Ripped from the headlines

Since I know you saw the transposition, thanks for making it happen. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 05:06, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

El Sereno

My apologies, I probably should clarify why I added Colin Ferguson. It wasn't for the shooting itself. It was his profile and past history. If you look at the description, he was both paranoid over white conspiracies against blacks and divorced from a wife who found him unmanageably hostile. The shooting itself definitely fits Hartford, but after read Ferguson's case again, I remembered the case in the episode and saw parallels. I won't insist you add it back, I'm just communicating context I saw to you. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

The Hartford shooter was also paranoid over racism, given he constantly complained about being racially harassed but no one else at the company confirmed it and an investigation didn't turn up anything to this day. Season Fourteen (talk) 02:50, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
And he stole from his workplace, definitely. But was the Hartford shooter traumatized in the past to the point of derailment, like Ferguson after the deaths of his parents? Did he have an unhappy marriage ending in divorce, and believe in full-blown racial conspiracies, as was argued at the trial of the episode's shooter? And like Panetti, the shooter in the episode took his family hostage. I understand much of the details are covered, so I'm not stressing Ferguson, but if you needed to get my perspective better, I'm just detailing what I put together. And if you're second-guessing Panetti, that I won't stress if you remove his name either, but I remembered the cases and figured to add to the story, references to the cases were put into the sequence of events in the episode. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 03:32, 22 January 2022 (UTC)


Since you prefer I don't report to Ryanfellowsfitts23 about my headline rip mistakes, or at least you're willing to pitch in if you find that request, I have another rip I should fix: the killing of Otto Zehm does fit a beating of a man on camera when suspected by police of a crime. There's one other police killing I found that closer fits, not on camera like Otto's murder, but it better fits the storyline. The murder of Michael Stewart actually fits chasing a suspect evading arrest on suspicion of more serious crimes, only to beat him to death in front of witnesses. Otto could still fit from the killing being on camera, that's definitely a considerable factor, but as for the crime itself, Stewart's murder fits closer. And Jasmine and Jeremy still fit Charlotte and Ryan, definitely regarding a questionable couple attacking the girl's family of parents and a little brother, just not from the drugs motive. I found Christine Paolilla who does fit the drug motive and the aggressive confrontation leading to murder, down to a boyfriend who committed the attacks because of drug problems. So Paolilla is an additional rip I found. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 03:57, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Homicide: A Year on the Killing Streets

Since the book is pretty much the inspiration for Homicide: Life on the Street and reportedly had real life cases adapted into the series, should we make another Ripped from the headlines list for the show? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 09:31, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Baby Killer and Club Kids

If you do actually have room for a break from your schedule now, will you at least erase Club Kids from the Baby Killer Ripped from the headlines box since I got it wrong? That much is obvious, I understand you don't have time often, I've been making more edits on the articles along with other users than you can keep up with, and you're also begrudgingly reserving yourself on that page. But I got that rip wrong. Erase it, or I can ask another admin if you're busy and you need help to cover that. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 21:55, 28 January 2022 (UTC)


Victor Gant actually has a section in the Wikpedia page Storyville Slasher. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 10:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Pamela Tatum

Please restore her page. She had an impassioned scene where she went into detail with the history between her and Harold Starnes, even fighting with the detectives repeatedly over Michael Tatum's lineage and snapping at them to get out of her home. Michael and other characters such as Jiang Li, Larry Tang, the brothel owner, Sonja Yung, and even Susan Guan got just about as much face time. Pamela's just as important, and there's likely racial concerns in the fact she doesn't have a page due to her black family line. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 00:39, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

GIF Splitting

Would it be copyright infringement to split a GIF into frames and posting one of them? I found a Nathan Forrester GIF, I just need to minimize the image to erase the caption. And find a way to even use the specialize sites. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 07:40, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Deletion Log

Are you sure you're not referring to dead victims of the week? Because Mia Van Wagner had more face time than you're giving credit for. And if you noticed, the Les Cooper in the page before was even worse quality, so would you have a problem with deleting that one? Say something. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 04:08, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

The admin before me had marked Mia's article for deletion, so that takes precedent. And I'm deleting the other photo too. If you're going to look for a better photo, at least not make it a duplicate of the original if the original doesn't look good to begin with. Season Fourteen (talk) 04:10, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for clearing that up. I still figure Mia and Amy Taylor need pages, but I can take those concerns up with the other admin. Thanks for removing the Les Cooper picture, which I should clarify I was trying to replace with a higher quality snapshot instead of an outright duplicate since that photo wasn't removed. But since it doesn't fit, fair enough. A better photo could do regardless, that addresses part of the problem. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 04:17, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

Damaged (L&O)

You do realize Brenda Ann Spencer is a teenage girl with red hair who shot at more children than faculty, yeah? Patrick Daly, in comparison, was killed in a shooting with a different political and neighborhood controversy. I'd sooner see that relate to Baby Killer, and you already shot down my suggestions of the shooting of the two kids the NYC mayor spoke out against. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 07:24, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Doesn't matter. Daly is a closer case, and I have seen sources making a direct comparison between it and the episode. Spencer was a mentally ill woman who attempted an actual random mass shooting, which is not what happened in the episode. Physical similarities are a flimsy excuse. Season Fourteen (talk) 07:31, 8 February 2022 (UTC)
I didn't just mention appearance. The shooting wasn't about a crime rate in the end, none of the shooters who killed Daly ere female from what I know, and the timeline of the shooting and the traits of the victims relate more closer. But if there's more of a veto and sources don't support it, fine. I won't add it back unless there's more definitive confirmation or other similar details. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Child Custody Rips Changes

A mistaken rip I listed needs to be changed, along with an additional rip missing, all child custody cases. Stolen isn't Baby M; I was wrong, it's The "Baby Richard" case, except the child was away from the father for much less time in real life. The lawsuit's the same. Serendipity alludes to The "Baby Jessica" case, which didn't involve murder but did an invoked adoption the father was left out of. When I was researching, one lawsuit led to another, when I saw the details, I realized where they needed to be accurately placed. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 02:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Double Strands

Can you erase Darrin Fernandez from ripped from the headlines under the episode? There are a few dozens cases of twins ether conspiring in crime or being investigated when one framed the other. I have several links I already need to sort through to compare the Fernandez twins with them. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 11:35, 19 February 2022 (UTC)


The episode and its page have a screenshot with an NBC logo. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:08, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Deleted and the uploading user notified. Season Fourteen (talk) 23:44, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Apparently for numerous other episodes as well. That was gonna be my next notice to you, so great! ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 04:25, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
List of examples? I don't know where to start. Season Fourteen (talk) 04:31, 2 March 2022 (UTC)


I found the real serial killer: it's not Wayne Williams. It's the Arohn Kee (a.k.a. "The East Harlem Rapist") case. It fits everything, the murders and rapes timelines, the breaks between the already identified crimes that got more attention, even setting a woman on fire. Please change. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 08:26, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Cheryl Pearson

The Cheryl Pearson case isn't in Repression, at least not the one episode alone. Read the article hear closely and try to see how it fits Justice (SVU).


I deleted them because I don't see relevance in keeping the items after I get the meaning. I understand if you want to keep a history but if I got the point after you told me once, there is no reason to keep it. As I said, all I want to is edit and create relevant pages without trouble. (Kingdevo215 (talk) 02:07, 14 March 2022 (UTC))

A little late to the party, but it's sometimes difficult for me to go through an entire page history to look for a specific diff, especially if the diff in question is pretty old. It's easier to just keep everything and make it easier to track. Season Fourteen (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2022 (UTC)


I've made it to my three-edit limit on Ripped from the headlines for Law & Order, but I'm still certain about Donald Harvey, the link which I misspelled by mistake. May you please read the article with the proper spelling and retain the case reference if you're convinced enough that it matches? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 14:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Indefinite block/Alexandra Cabot page edit

Hi, I made an edit last night that was reversed that is canonically correct as of Conviction (though, it was not sourced, and improperly noted/tagged). It was flagged as vandalism and I (pants2match) was given an indefinite block.

Alex's "Unnamed fiancée" is first referred to as "Robert" by Alex in Savasana (timecode 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,550), and as "Shelton"1 by a party guest in Indiscretion (timecode 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,958). Actor Jack Gwaltney is credited on IMDb as "Robert" in both his appearances.

Apologies for making another account, but I couldn't find a way to dispute the block.

1I mistakenly thought it was "Sheldon", but checked the subtitles. The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pantstwomatch (talk • contribs).

Islan Nettles

She has her own page, which should be placed under Transgender Bridge in the Ripped from the headlines list she's in. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy

Hey there! Recently Fandom made updates to global Wiki Rules and Blocking Policy and I posted about those here. If you have any questions, please let me know! :) --Spongebob456 talk 15:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)

Remand and Matias Reyes

I struggled to put a link in the description and make the appropriate edits without overdoing my limit of daily edits. Please refer to Law and Order:Ripped from the headlines submissions where I did post a link under the discussion I started for Suicide Box. That's confirmation Reyes' crimes were reported on well before the episode was released. Please revert the edit and put Reyes back into the episode yourself. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 01:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

And now I just realized I had the wrong article. I didn't look at it closely. I replaced it, but it's proof to confirm Reyes. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 01:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Law & Order: Special Victims Unit Ripped from the headlines

I'm requesting access to the List of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit Ripped from the Headline episodes (seasons 1–19) page, so that I can correct several sources, be it my mistakes or other users' mistakes. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 02:01, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Are you open to at least discussing this? Because while you've been busy, I've been abiding by new systems best I can: if I'm not certain about a real source, I put it in Law and Order:Ripped from the headlines submissions, but where I am, I place it in the tables accordingly. I've needed to still go through trial and error, but I've been productive and more accurate than anticipated in a majority of, or at least half of, my actions here on the site. I hope to extend that simpatico formatting to the currently blocked list. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 02:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
No. The point of tightening the rules for this topic was to keep you away from it as much as possible and focus your attention on other parts of the wiki. That's also why I've been quiet for a while here, so hopefully you'd get the point and try to move on. But I can see from my latest talk page messages and other edit notifications that you're still obsessing over 6 out of 10,000+ articles on this wiki, and it's frankly ridiculous.
Reliability of comparisons aside, this is only one, I repeat, ONE part of the wiki, and it's as complete as can be. I am absolutely NO LONGER interested in constantly double-checking and fact-checking every case you submit or try to submit for older episodes, especially if it concerns an episode that aired decades ago. It has become extremely tedious for me a long time ago. I believe you've talked to Spongebob about this topic and my attitude over it a while back. I'm not sure if they relayed it to you already, but I've confided in them my personal grievances over this issue, and they've only increased since.
So, I'm left with no choice. I'll be locking all of the Ripped from the headlines articles for a few weeks, so you can take a break from all of that and I can debate over whether they should be deleted or not. I've noticed that, before you came along, users have provided fair, almost equal shares of edits to the articles. Now, you're the one primarily editing them, and almost constantly too. Review the editing histories if you don't believe me. It's never a good idea to have one user essentially lord themselves over a well-edited topic like that, because you make it a lot more difficult and irksome for others to navigate through it than it should be. I'm nearly damn traumatized to even think of anything about it at this point, so this is why I'm giving you this reprieve.
This is going to be my only say on this. Please redirect your energy to somewhere else on the wiki. Any attempts to get around or subvert these new restrictions will be met with blocks. Thank you. Season Fourteen (talk) 04:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I followed every rule and have extended contributions as you've insisted, you manipulative monger. You could've warned me before you got entangled in all the strings you wanna pull. I don't see a "reprieve" especially since the site isn't my primary motivator for doing the research and I have more important focuses that could coincidentally benefit the site if properly managed, checked, and finalized. It's not my fault I'm trying to pitch in efficiency but no one wants to agree on a system, but you can't even hear when I admit to my mistakes, snap, or am not informed on the entirety of the site until after I need to correct myself, let alone providing suggestions and clarifying my intentions to give you notice and work out cohesive activity from the same level. Damn you, oppressive tight-ass, to simply put my statement. You wanna bar me permanently for "a potty mouth and bad, bad disrespect that obviously is from no manners to match", you unmanageable snowflake? You'll miss a lot more articles and real-life references I tried to put in that you're missing, and we'll see how fast you get the wiki filled with pages in time for your superiors in the "community" here in Fandom. I doubt Spongebob fits there, they just care to see you as a placeholder and don't believe specifically siding with your strains exclusively aren't worth the time and steam. DON'T YOU DARE delete them, they're my only resource to track the activity of the show for the very reason of fans paying attention to the behind the scenes activities of the parties behind the productions! Finally, you don't know trauma especially if you don't care to think about other trauma side from yours from being too exasperated and self-focused! You've got no idea how strenuous and insulting YOUR reactions even can be, let alone HAVE BEEN, because you don't care to HEAR THAT OUT from everyone else! ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 05:42, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Speaking in concern of actually walking through steps of confirmation, in all seriousness, regarding Burden, I was going through several angels of death in real life. I narrowed down Harvey and Jones because Harvey used a variety of methods, and Jones was fired from one hospital with the rest of the staff regarding her spree there. Those are specific details that happened in the episode. Lyle Semenko poisoned with various substances and even once made a woman choke on a bandage. With the murder of the woman with the bandage, all possible staff with contact was fired, not just Semenko. That as why I added both killers. I was planning to go through process of elimination with the rest of them ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 03:49, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Wicked Game - the Ed Buck case in West Los Angeles

Hi can you add Wicked Game to the list of Law & Order ripped from the headlines episodes. The preceding unsigned comment was added by DanDud88 (talk • contribs).

List of Law & Order: Trial By Jury Ripped from the Headline episodes

I just realize my major big-ass easy mistake in the list: I placed Joyce Gilchrist under Baby Boom. I wasn't looking to make sure I actually placed Gilchrist under The Line, as well as spelled her last name as Gilchrist, not "Gilcrest", because of my fricking attention and perception problems when I read and when I try to type at a continuous pace when editing. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

T smitts

A new user, T smitts, albeit despite stellar edits and articles for the wiki, missed some rules of the site you regularly enforce, such as formatting and no logos in images, if you need to be readily updated. I passed a note on to let them know so neither of you stress. A few of those images are still in the articles, but they're marked in Candidates for Deletion. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 20:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Jordan Reed

You know, I can't help, but think that there is a reference of the show 24, regarding the character Jordan Reed. Might be a coincidence, but there was a character name Jordan Reed in the miniseries 24: Live Another Day played by Giles Matthey and the actor who portrayed Reed on L&O episode Free Speech, Jeffrey Nordling, appeared in season 7 of 24 as a FBI agent name Larry Moss. What does that tell you? BattleshipMan (talk) 02:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Nothing. Season Fourteen (talk) 02:48, 22 April 2022 (UTC)


Hey! Made a post about the new Interactive Maps feature - does L&O Wiki have any maps that could be used for this? --Spongebob456 talk 12:17, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

We do have articles on U.S. states. See Category:States. Season Fourteen (talk) 20:06, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Julia Millfield

I've always wondered, how sure are we Millfield definitively committed the break-ins and rape to frame Simon Marsden instead of just finding an escalating felony case and bungling the evidence in Simon's direction? I know there are factors like Simon worked at the pharmacy where all the women were attacked, and the hair in Donna Leonte's underwear, but was it ever directly mentioned Millfield committed the spree itself? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 18:08, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Not sure. I haven't seen the episode in a while. Season Fourteen (talk) 03:10, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Well, during the two-part saga in the season. it wasn't outright alluded to. it could've been brought up in a later episode, whether in another appearance by Simon like Screwed or in a later reference. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 12:14, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Legacy (L&O II) references

I eventually relented from adding references in the show I was close to adding, I decided to ask you first. The detectives argue about the n-word in the episode, but would it be too dangerous and provoking to list it in the references list despite the fact it was one of the more significant political points brought up? I'm pretty sure there are two Wikipedia pages that could be put into the list, but socially, it seems like a really awful idea even just for awareness on the wiki. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 11:38, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

We don't have to add every last reference in this wiki, particularly if the topic is constantly brought up in the public. Season Fourteen (talk) 22:53, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
I just thought it would really badly stoke racism problems adding it in. And I don't just add real life references. I also add location names, which are usually put into the screen cards in each episode. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Eighteen Wheels A Predator

If you still see similarities between Vetrano and Alves, you can leave them there. I should clarify to you I'm most certain of all about Keith Hunter Jesperson. The episode decided to flip the timeline around, but it fits numerous other traits. The cross-country serial offender is a trucker, got married and had daughters (though Jesperson got a divorce), and contacted the police to take responsibility for the crimes after a suspect was wrongfully arrested due to an affiliated female victim of abuse framing the other offender. The difference between that last part is Jesperson's first murder is the one with the false suspect, where as Aaron Wesley Parker's later rape was pinned on Dustin Tinsley. But those are uncanny details, especially since highway serial killers have actually been reported as both a crisis, many currently at large, and responsible for hundreds of murdered people across America. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 23:40, 30 April 2022 (UTC)


Heya, just letting you know I left you a message on the other wiki. :) --Spongebob456 talk 09:18, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

3-Edits-a-Day in List of Rules

I was planning to add to every Ripped from the headlines list that users can only make three edits to the lists per day, from minor to major. I'm overdue on my three edits on a couple lists, so I'm asking, would that be a problem or approved and fitting from your perspective? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 03:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)\

I thought that was already implemented as a rule by myself? Season Fourteen (talk) 04:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
You implemented it, yes. I'm asking may we add it to the official lists of rules in each ripped from the headlines page, so all users, including myself, know for sure and remember going forward? ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 05:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)


Spongebob456 discuss with me making a forum for users to discuss activity to collaborate on or critique, so I've made this page. The paragraph at the top are rules we all agree on, so I'm seeing what happens. I'm spreading notices and invitations as we speak. ContributingHelperOnTheSide (talk) 22:22, 19 May 2022 (UTC)